Tuesday, January 26, 2010

MM + JFK



I find this photo to be particularly stirring. It's steamy, sneaky, and tragic all at the same time. I guess I've never seen the two of them touching before.

Remember on Mad Men when they pitched that every woman was either a Jackie or a Marilyn? I'm undoubtedly a Jackie. Which one would you be? Would anyone actually say they were a Marilyn?



UPDATE: It ain't them. Thanks, FK.

45 comments:

  1. wow, that is oddly intimate. who the hell took that picture! i think it would have been easier to have identified as a marilyn back then...prior to the death and the cardboardy mass-marketing of the tragic story & classic image, etc. i think i've met a couple of marilyns in my life, for sure.

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  2. I bought a piece of pie the other day and the guy who sliced it said I looked like Jackie O. The things they'll do to sell pie these days!

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  3. Whit, you DO look like Jackie O!

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  4. jackie, definitely. yay brunettes!

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  5. amazing photo. i'm blonde, but i'm still a jackie.

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  6. I'd like to think I am a Jackie in a Marilyn body...

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  7. I am definitely not a Jackie. So.



    I mean, what makes a Jackie? Will someone please explain?

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  8. p.s. you don't get to be a Jackie in a Marilyn body, sorry.

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  9. the jackie/marilyn thing came up in a year-end episode of "gossip girl" as well, no? the congressman's wife said it to serena, i think. or (cough) so i heard.

    ESB, i think fidelity makes jackies jackies. fidelity and long-form badassery. anyone can stand on a grate.

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  10. but Marilyn eats in bed. and she doesn't get dressed unless she has to.

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  11. so i was pretty sure i was a jackie.

    so i asked a second opinion of my fiance.

    and he just laughed at me. 'you're ALL jackie', he said.

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  12. H just said, "Well if those are the only two choices, you're a Jackie."

    Whatever.

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  13. i have to disagree, esb. i am for sure a jackie in a marilyn body. my sister (same body), however, is definitely a marilyn... and would DEFINITELY say she's a marilyn.

    and lauren, i LOVE marilyn AND jackie. i think they're both badass in their own way. for me, the difference is their sexual appeal. marilyns are overtly, in your face sexy; like the feather love girl. jackies are sexy in a more mysterious way, a way that only a select few get to see.

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  14. what a post!

    If I had to choose, I'd say I make a measly Jackie. I lack grace, humility and poise most times but I definitely dont have M's charisma, confidence and trifling nature.

    I think most hubs would say/wish their girl was a Jackie.

    Great photo. Like woahmyfuckinggod great. Perfect context for the word "stirring".

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  15. i don't mean to bag on marilyn, celia, though i can see how i sounded like i did; i have a lot of sympathy for her, and i think she had heaps of talent and great comic timing (and was beautiful). her adventures as the other woman, now? those, i admit, leave me pretty cold.

    can catherine deneuve be a third option? that would be boss.

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  16. I'm definitely not sophisticated enough to be a Jackie, but not fake enough to be a Marilyn. I choose Frida or Maria Felix.

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  17. you got me lauren, i'm not fond of ho bag marilyn either.
    catherine deneuve: perfect combo of m & j. very, very rare and very, VERY boss.

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  18. ESB, it's whose aura you relate to more.

    actually, it's more of a Rorschach. there's no right or wrong answer or what for sure makes someone a jackie or a marilyn.

    the way i see it:

    jackie= refined, classic, more cerebral, gracious
    marilyn= flirty, oozing with sexuality, free spirited

    w/e!

    ps. so THIS is what it's like to get comments on a post! how fun ;)

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  19. I'm neither but the gut is underappreciated these days, I have a "voluptuous" midsection so I'm going with Marilyn. Plus, Jackie's voice drives me absolutely insane.

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  20. hahaha, sherri! but how could you resist that bonafide beale accent? ♥

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  21. I'm a Marilyn b/c I don't have the fashion sense that Jackie did.

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  22. I see it more as

    Jackie: strong, poised, self-reliant, together, a little cold.
    Marilyn: damaged, uncontrollable, vulnerable, self-destructive, passionate.

    With the right medication I'm Jackie. Without I'm Marilyn.

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  23. bravo, P&P! that's what i was TRYING to say in my not so eloquent way.

    "With the right medication I'm Jackie. Without I'm Marilyn." = GOLD

    you like how i turned marilyn's self destructiveness into free spiritedness? hmmm...

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  24. Jackie. Actually, Audrey. But if I have to choose, Jackie.

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  25. amandar. you are so audrey.

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  26. I am just going to come out and say that my sex appeal is nowhere near amped up enough to be considered a Marilyn. However, this convo has continued in our house. And we have come to the conclusion that I am a Jackie with a really quirky sense of humor. I do love "The House of Yes".

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  27. oh dear god, neither please! it's like keeping up appearances vs. a giant train wreck. i choose shari lewis.

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  28. I don't possess the class nor the sex-appeal to touch upon either women. However, I'd like to think I'm a little of both.

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  29. Jackie for sure. And yes, I think I know a few people who would sooner identify with MM!

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  30. boring. my husband said "you have jackie's class with marilyn's figure."

    what a cop out.

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  31. Oh wow, I've never seen a photo like this either. I think of Marilyn as such a tragic figure. Jackie, too, in a way... although certainly she went on to lead a life of her own volition after his death. Marilyn was always there for the taking, though.

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  32. FYI, that photo is not of JFK and MM. It's an imagined recreation. A photographer did a series of them. Here's a small article about it: http://theenglishmuse.blogspot.com/2009/11/intimate-pictures-of-marilyn-and-jfk.html

    Oh, and if I have to choose, I'd say Marilyn. Jackie holds no appeal to me. But I don't know if anyone else would agree with my own assessment! It's funny because I had thought that EVERYONE would pick Marilyn.

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  33. FK!!!!!! THANK YOU! i was SO confused. this makes so much more sense.

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  35. My pleasure!! The photo is pretty amazing. Oh, also, I just embarassedly asked my bf what he thought, and he said, without hesitation, "Marilyn." I was like, 'Yes!' And he followed it up with, "You're a tortured soul." Oh. Well, yes.
    p.s. Great blog. Just discovered it!

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  36. If I had to choose I would say I feel more like a Marilyn, but like sad-eyed Marilyn not sexy Marilyn, (and, when asked, that was the woman my fiance chose as well) but the whole thing is a little too madonna-whore complex-y for me. The picture makes me sad in a happy way or happy in a sad way, I can't tell. Thanks for sharing it. Oh wait...I do love Peonies answer...I choose that.

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  37. HLYSHT It's an imagined recreation!?
    Sheesh.
    Good to know.


    Ps, I love you and I just wanted to add to the comment thread. Double digits!
    Comments nourish.

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  38. the picture is stunning. so much emotion, esp. if you look at it as
    Marilyn and JFK.
    The answer to the Jackie or Marilyn question ...I don't know.
    I like to believe I am a Liv. And I am still figuring out what that
    means every day.

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  39. wow that's a good repro. I thought for sure.

    yah I'm a jackie, even the hair and the skin. I'm all about twinsets and pearls

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  40. twinsets. I KNEW there was a reason I'm not a Jackie.

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  41. You know what, I'm really more of a Patsy or Edina.

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  42. FUCK YES, KRIS. NEXT POST COMING UP!!!!

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  43. emilia jane, yes! that is exactly it- the madonna-whore complex. that being said, i'm surprised everyone said jackie. jackie has class, elegance, and intelligence, but i would always rather be marilyn. she's self-destructive and crazy and sexy and flirty and fun, but at least she's not boring.

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  44. Actually, and I could be wrong, I think those photos are from a magazine-I can't remember which-about a year ago. They were actors posing. I think the real life pair were a bit more subtle.

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